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Post by Praesumo on Jan 22, 2015 22:53:27 GMT
So here's my idea. After seeing how quickly I burned through a "campaign", and seeing only so many other islands on the tiny little planet (are other planets planned?), I decided that an additional "endless" game mode would be a nice addition. My suggestion. You have a few different maps. Each one starts you off with a castle of various sizes and/or designs and the castle is manned on the parapets by an assortment of (friendly) archers and cannons. There also may be oil-cauldrons that tip onto enemies if they reach the walls...but can only be used once per round. In the courtyard of your castle is a fully enclosed wooden shed (to protect from arrows) protected by a single squad of pikemen standing in front of it, just inside the main gate. Inside the shack is a stockpile of explosives. This is what the enemy will try to attack to blow up the castle. This is YOUR castle. Defend it at all costs. You start outside the walls (this is where the editor box is placed), and when the round begins the game tells you what kind, and how many enemies are going to attack. You must design (or load) a bot that can keep your castle standing. At the end of a round, debris and bodies are cleaned up (to help FPS) and the next round begins, the game tells you what enemies will be arriving this time, and you are allowed to go back into the editor to make the necessary changes. (or it can be done real-time, like in the 1st video HERE) Each wave gets progressively harder. Enemies you will face: - Hordes of pikemen (they should be able to chip away at the main gates HP)
- Archers, In this gamemode they can actually move, and will advance...pause and fire, and advance again.
- Cannons. The cannons main goal is to take you down. They get a few shots a piece
- Artillery (mortars). These will roll up into firing range of your castle, and begin Arcing Cannonballs at it. These will require you to go out to them the take them down before they can do much harm.
- Giants. Giants are big, high HP brutes that swing a large club with enough force to knock things off your machine or crush its wood parts. Beware!
- Knights. Resistent to arrows
- Mounted knights. Much faster. Will chase you down and poke you with lances!
- mini-machines of various design: they can be mini catapults, armored battering rams, or nothing more than a bomb on wheels. Stop at all costs!
- BOSS: A fire breathing dragon that can whip it's clublike tail at you/your castle gate to do damage.
- and much, much more!
I just thought this would be super fun if possible. Kind of an endless wave challenge. It would also be an excellent test for player designs if difficult enough... Feel free to discuss this suggestion and add anything to it you might think should be in there! EDIT: I'd be willing to pay another $5 for this as DLC or something. |
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Post by Praesumo on Jan 22, 2015 23:01:48 GMT
A possible addition to this is the earning of points as you play (by kills or levels completed). These points could be spent on various helpful things Ideas for points use: - Spawn a squad of pikemen in your courtyard. Helpful for last minute emergency defense.
- Spawn a squad of archers on an additional parapet/tower. This can also be used to replace killed squads of archers.
- refill boiling cauldrons if they've been used in a round
- Call in artillery. (this may take some scripting). Rains down 1-3 bombs spread out over the target area. They fly in (at high speed) from off-map.
- Repair some gate HP
- EMERGENCY PAUSE! This will pause the game and allow you to use the editor. Useful for those waves when just ONE machine design isn't enough.
- etc etc etc
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Post by jetcutter on Jan 22, 2015 23:31:38 GMT
Add angular/rotatable building blocks, and you can have my $5.00 as well  |
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Post by VapidLinus on Jan 23, 2015 11:09:08 GMT
And endless survival mode.. that sounds fun! I just might do this c:
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Post by Praesumo on Jan 23, 2015 17:11:43 GMT
I'm not a fan of tower defense/infinite wave. It's no fun for me. This is a construction game, so focus on making the construction brilliant, that is the core of the game and all of the appeal for me. Ok... First: That entire comment contributes absolutely nothing to the conversation other than how YOU feel... Second: Who said anything about "tower defense"? Did you even read the suggestion? Third: How about you don't bring down other people's suggestions simply because you personally don't like the kind of thing they're suggesting. You started off your critique of the suggestion talking about YOURSELF twice...Then you go on to make a claim about the game that stems from your personal opinion "this is a construction game." Yes, "construction" is ONE of the elements of this game. Trying to limit a game by defining it so narrowly like that is never good. But for the sake of argument I'll agree with you there. Yes, it IS (partly) a construction game. You construct things with the purpose of defeating specific levels made up of specific enemies and buildings... My suggestion is no different than that except the levels last longer, the challenge/enemies change during play, and instead of attacking a building you're defending it. But I also made this suggestion because there's only 4 other islands (than the one we've already completed) and a moon on the entire planet. So would you rather have a "construction" game you can complete in a day, or one that offers much more lasting fun? All that aside, since you only seem to judge things by how fun they'll be for you... why don't you tell us what YOU personally have to lose from there being a "survival" game mode? |
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Post by Praesumo on Jan 23, 2015 17:32:28 GMT
And endless survival mode.. that sounds fun! I just might do this c: Wow, I've just seen all of your videos. Really awesome work. You're definitely anything BUT vapid, lol. I'd love to learn a little unity myself but I don't know where to begin. How did you first start? Also, you said "I might do this." Is that really a possibility already? That would be awesome! From a development perspective, I've been really curious how they place castles and towers into the game. For example, each tower is made up of individual shapes that kind of "fit" together like a tetris-piece to create the building. I've been left wondering if they have to build each castle bit-by-bit "like legos" or if they just load in a pre-fab. |
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Post by VapidLinus on Jan 23, 2015 18:26:03 GMT
Wow, I've just seen all of your videos. Really awesome work. You're definitely anything BUT vapid, lol. I'd love to learn a little unity myself but I don't know where to begin. How did you first start? Also, you said "I might do this." Is that really a possibility already? That would be awesome! From a development perspective, I've been really curious how they place castles and towers into the game. For example, each tower is made up of individual shapes that kind of "fit" together like a tetris-piece to create the building. I've been left wondering if they have to build each castle bit-by-bit "like legos" or if they just load in a pre-fab. Thank you for the praise! If you mean how I started programming; That started when I was ~10 (I turn 18 in May). Started messing around with Game Maker and such and eventually moved up to programming with code. Been self-teaching since then, reading articles, watching videos and experimenting. If you want to learn Unity and C#, I'd recommend starting here unity3d.com/learn/tutorials/modules/live-training-archiveWhat I've done with Besiege is not inside of Unity, it's more complicated than that. At first, I injected some code into the TranslateButton that exists in the Assembly-UnityScript.dll (because apparently this game was written in JavaScript/UnityScript.. eh) assembly. This code made the translate tool transform rotate in a random fashion, as you can see in my first video. After a lot of trial and error and messing around trying different things and trying to find a script that was in the main menu, this is the solution I have right now: Basically, what I do is; Inject my own class into the Assembly-UnityScript.dll assembly. Inside of the PlanetRotateMouse script (which was the only script I could find that I assume ONLY is used inside the menu. Developers, please guide me to a better script to inject into, an initializer or something.) I injected an Awake() method, from where I create an instance of a class I wrote myself and injected into the assembly, called InternalModLoader. This class then loads an external Assembly that I made, Besiege_Data/Mods/VapidModLoader.dll, and attaches a MonoBehaviour class I made called ModLoader to a new game object. The reason I have an external mod loader instead of writing all the code inside of InternalModLoader I made, is because injecting code is a really really slow and tedious and annoying workflow. Now from my ModLoader class, I can easily mess around and experiment! My plans for the Mod Loader part of all of this is to load ALL mods inside the Besiege_Data/Mods/ folder (which is a custom folder, not part of Unity). That way, others who want to create mods don't have to do any code injection into the Assembly. Related to the "I might do this"; What I meant is that I might try to create some survival type of mini-game, and that should be fairly easy, now that I can code outside of the game's own assemblies. However, instantiating prefabs is extremely difficult/impossible because I don't know where they're located, and as the developers don't place them in StreamingAssets folder, I just don't know how to access them. If I had access to this information, I could probably even create a map editor for the game. That'd be really fun to create! See my thread and encourage the developers to help me out with this issue: besiege.freeforums.net/thread/91/contact-developer-question-request |
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Post by lyra on Feb 20, 2015 22:11:31 GMT
The best way to defend the castle is obviously to get rid of the explosives in the center.
Just kidding, just kidding XD
I like this idea. I support it.
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Post by zodium on Feb 21, 2015 9:50:29 GMT
I like the basic idea, but also seconding that a complex survival game mode would draw development time away from the more important core physics/block work.
I would prefer a simple version based on adding two environment objects: flags and spawners. Spawners (two parameters: amount and pulse time) would let map makers place pulsing mob spawners that would walk towards the flag (one parameter: health), or the player's core block in the absence of a flag. If knights reach a flag, they shoot/hit it until it's destroyed. Your score is the amount of knights you killed per minute. These could be added two appropriate maps with the eventual map editor.
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